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		<title>By: Paul Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2009/11/23/first-particles-collide-in-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-36442</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though completely justified, the enthusiasm for the LHC must be tempered with some perspective. This type of brute force physics will not provide a TOE (it is unlikely, in my view, that anything can do that). Neither will it tell us anything about conditions at the Big Bang; the amount of energy required to mirror that is just not possible in experimental conditions on earth (or in any other part of the universe for that matter!). Finding evidence of the Higgs field will tell us only that the experiment confirms the theory evoking the Higgs field. However, experiments which can measure the Higgs field are extremely important.
The Higgs particle is needed to complete the Standard Model, whose description is flawed at the moment.
Just as exciting are experiments which are trying to observe Dark Matter and Dark Energy. How these observations fit in with M-theory and more speculative ideas such as Lisi&#039;s E8 theory, are at the cutting edge of physics along with results from the LHC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though completely justified, the enthusiasm for the LHC must be tempered with some perspective. This type of brute force physics will not provide a TOE (it is unlikely, in my view, that anything can do that). Neither will it tell us anything about conditions at the Big Bang; the amount of energy required to mirror that is just not possible in experimental conditions on earth (or in any other part of the universe for that matter!). Finding evidence of the Higgs field will tell us only that the experiment confirms the theory evoking the Higgs field. However, experiments which can measure the Higgs field are extremely important.<br />
The Higgs particle is needed to complete the Standard Model, whose description is flawed at the moment.<br />
Just as exciting are experiments which are trying to observe Dark Matter and Dark Energy. How these observations fit in with M-theory and more speculative ideas such as Lisi&#8217;s E8 theory, are at the cutting edge of physics along with results from the LHC.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Lee Moreau</title>
		<link>http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2009/11/23/first-particles-collide-in-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-36203</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Lee Moreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently observing all the discoveries going on at LHC @CERN and I am extremely excited from what I&#039;ve seen so far. Keep up the Twitter feeds as much as possible. I appreciate getting those updates by cellphone, also could you guys possibly give us more information on the research? Or perhaps that is to the government(s) to use their discretion at publishing. 

I still want to see evidence of proper scientific research. Like a college lab report? I love reading into the wealth of data through the eyes of a rhetorician once more. 

Lets see what happens next. Also, Let us not get too excited. We haven&#039;t developed a way to &quot;capture&quot; this dark matter abstract particle. We need to learn how you can hold on to this matter and utilize it as an energy source, or even possibly a &quot;potential energy reactor&quot; (whereby the given flux from the &quot;anti-matter&quot; gives enough potentiated energy to run a steam engine)

These things are all possible through DarkMatter... Imagine the possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently observing all the discoveries going on at LHC @CERN and I am extremely excited from what I&#8217;ve seen so far. Keep up the Twitter feeds as much as possible. I appreciate getting those updates by cellphone, also could you guys possibly give us more information on the research? Or perhaps that is to the government(s) to use their discretion at publishing. </p>
<p>I still want to see evidence of proper scientific research. Like a college lab report? I love reading into the wealth of data through the eyes of a rhetorician once more. </p>
<p>Lets see what happens next. Also, Let us not get too excited. We haven&#8217;t developed a way to &#8220;capture&#8221; this dark matter abstract particle. We need to learn how you can hold on to this matter and utilize it as an energy source, or even possibly a &#8220;potential energy reactor&#8221; (whereby the given flux from the &#8220;anti-matter&#8221; gives enough potentiated energy to run a steam engine)</p>
<p>These things are all possible through DarkMatter&#8230; Imagine the possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamar Kern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamar Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, there, zach and cristopher, Katie Yurkewicz answered your  question which, BTW, you could have figured out yourselves  had you had the curiosity to google ATLAS and CMS. you can go now and bite your nails in despair that oh, my, American contribution to the hadron collider is actually acknowledged on a ummm... American blog, what a concept :-)... so, take your American bashing and your  ujustified &#039;annoyiance&#039; somewhere else, folks, this is not the right place for it...the hadron colldier is a world wide effort...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, there, zach and cristopher, Katie Yurkewicz answered your  question which, BTW, you could have figured out yourselves  had you had the curiosity to google ATLAS and CMS. you can go now and bite your nails in despair that oh, my, American contribution to the hadron collider is actually acknowledged on a ummm&#8230; American blog, what a concept <img src='http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230; so, take your American bashing and your  ujustified &#8216;annoyiance&#8217; somewhere else, folks, this is not the right place for it&#8230;the hadron colldier is a world wide effort&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Yurkewicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Yurkewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Christopher and Zach,

You are both certainly correct that the construction and operation of the Large Hadron Collider and its experiments is a truly international effort, involving an estimated 10,000 people from 60 countries. 

That said, Symmetry Breaking is the blog of Symmetry Magazine, which is published jointly by Fermilab and SLAC, two national laboratories funded by the Office of Science of the U.S. Department of Energy. Thus I don&#039;t believe it was inappropriate for my article to emphasize the U.S. contributions to the LHC project. Those contributions have been and continue to be substantial, especially to the two large experiments ATLAS and CMS (more detailed information and statistics are available at http://uslhc.us). 

For more on the institutions and people behind Symmetry Magazine, see its About page: http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Christopher and Zach,</p>
<p>You are both certainly correct that the construction and operation of the Large Hadron Collider and its experiments is a truly international effort, involving an estimated 10,000 people from 60 countries. </p>
<p>That said, Symmetry Breaking is the blog of Symmetry Magazine, which is published jointly by Fermilab and SLAC, two national laboratories funded by the Office of Science of the U.S. Department of Energy. Thus I don&#8217;t believe it was inappropriate for my article to emphasize the U.S. contributions to the LHC project. Those contributions have been and continue to be substantial, especially to the two large experiments ATLAS and CMS (more detailed information and statistics are available at <a href="http://uslhc.us)" rel="nofollow">http://uslhc.us)</a>. </p>
<p>For more on the institutions and people behind Symmetry Magazine, see its About page: <a href="http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000001" rel="nofollow">http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000001</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joel Roseman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Roseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The possible outcoming results will, with no doubt at all, contribute enormously to medicine and several other fields of mankind interest.

However, as far as understanding formation of matter, as we know it, it&#039;s an entirely different story!! First, there&#039;s absolutely no way to recreate the very same environment like at time of Big Bang or even what we could call &quot;present time&quot;, for no particle collider has dark matter.

We cannot simply ignore the absence of dark matter in such collisions if we want to understand more accurately how particle combinations take place. Dark matter is the &quot;tissue&quot; where all stellar objetcs are embeded in (or on). For instance, what if dark matter (proved mathematically existing) somehow drains, transfer or absorbs, entire or partially, enegry resulted from the collision?

Second, there is no way to prove (yet) whether Earth&#039;s gravitational field is negligible or not in regards to these particles behavior, before, during and after collision.

Last, but not least, all spacial explosions observed so far were a core-to-out event, not opposite direction objects launched one agaisnt the other. 

I going to take a break here. Maybe I am already saying too much. But some of you, clearly laymen, make no mistake, LHC WILL bring great advances in medicine, agricluture and energy.

Whether commom people will benefit from these advances is another 500.

Best to all of you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The possible outcoming results will, with no doubt at all, contribute enormously to medicine and several other fields of mankind interest.</p>
<p>However, as far as understanding formation of matter, as we know it, it&#8217;s an entirely different story!! First, there&#8217;s absolutely no way to recreate the very same environment like at time of Big Bang or even what we could call &#8220;present time&#8221;, for no particle collider has dark matter.</p>
<p>We cannot simply ignore the absence of dark matter in such collisions if we want to understand more accurately how particle combinations take place. Dark matter is the &#8220;tissue&#8221; where all stellar objetcs are embeded in (or on). For instance, what if dark matter (proved mathematically existing) somehow drains, transfer or absorbs, entire or partially, enegry resulted from the collision?</p>
<p>Second, there is no way to prove (yet) whether Earth&#8217;s gravitational field is negligible or not in regards to these particles behavior, before, during and after collision.</p>
<p>Last, but not least, all spacial explosions observed so far were a core-to-out event, not opposite direction objects launched one agaisnt the other. </p>
<p>I going to take a break here. Maybe I am already saying too much. But some of you, clearly laymen, make no mistake, LHC WILL bring great advances in medicine, agricluture and energy.</p>
<p>Whether commom people will benefit from these advances is another 500.</p>
<p>Best to all of you!</p>
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		<title>By: sean k</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody entertained the idea that maybe in order to understand how the universe was created, we must first know how Life itself works ?

My point is this, experiments have shown us that when Light is observed, especially when it knows it is being looked upon, will not reveal itself. No matter the reasoning for knowledge of it.

Hence the four experiments, four different results, use eight tests get eight results and so on...
We as a culture are not ready to advance ourselves this fast, we have already created to much without ability to WISELY use such resources.

We will not find answers out there, not until we answer the ones in here, and in order to do that we all must ask the same question, together !
 Sincerely, 
      Life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody entertained the idea that maybe in order to understand how the universe was created, we must first know how Life itself works ?</p>
<p>My point is this, experiments have shown us that when Light is observed, especially when it knows it is being looked upon, will not reveal itself. No matter the reasoning for knowledge of it.</p>
<p>Hence the four experiments, four different results, use eight tests get eight results and so on&#8230;<br />
We as a culture are not ready to advance ourselves this fast, we have already created to much without ability to WISELY use such resources.</p>
<p>We will not find answers out there, not until we answer the ones in here, and in order to do that we all must ask the same question, together !<br />
 Sincerely,<br />
      Life</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Christopher. There should NOT be such an emphasis on those in the US for any reason. It is collective, but EVERY scientist involved &quot;play[ed] key roles.&quot;

What is extremely curious to me is WHY Katie Yurkewicz would write so proudly of the US in the LHC&#039;s success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Christopher. There should NOT be such an emphasis on those in the US for any reason. It is collective, but EVERY scientist involved &#8220;play[ed] key roles.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is extremely curious to me is WHY Katie Yurkewicz would write so proudly of the US in the LHC&#8217;s success.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done to all involved with the development of the LHC. I can only imagine the wonders this machine will uncover.

@ Alexander Nahhas:

The 4 experiments are designed to look at different aspects of particle physics. Also, the more data they have to search for the Higgs Boson the the more conclusive the results will be. I hardly think that collecting experimental data is idiotic, especially considering the immense complexity of the LHC and what they hope to prove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done to all involved with the development of the LHC. I can only imagine the wonders this machine will uncover.</p>
<p>@ Alexander Nahhas:</p>
<p>The 4 experiments are designed to look at different aspects of particle physics. Also, the more data they have to search for the Higgs Boson the the more conclusive the results will be. I hardly think that collecting experimental data is idiotic, especially considering the immense complexity of the LHC and what they hope to prove.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to everyone who is involved! You guys are making history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to everyone who is involved! You guys are making history!</p>
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		<title>By: LEON LEDERMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LEON LEDERMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic good news as LHC initiates beam-beam collisions.  LHC is a unique global collaboration of scientists and engineers (and budgets) in order to better understand  the world in which we live. The collaboration has been wonderfully productive and should be a model for all Governments so that the many problems that burden our collective society can also be solved as well.  We cannot predict what discoveries will be made at LHC in the next decade but our experience assures us that the discoveries will add to all societies to increase longevity, decrease poverty and raise the level of culture everywhere.  Cheers for CERN! and all the collaborators!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic good news as LHC initiates beam-beam collisions.  LHC is a unique global collaboration of scientists and engineers (and budgets) in order to better understand  the world in which we live. The collaboration has been wonderfully productive and should be a model for all Governments so that the many problems that burden our collective society can also be solved as well.  We cannot predict what discoveries will be made at LHC in the next decade but our experience assures us that the discoveries will add to all societies to increase longevity, decrease poverty and raise the level of culture everywhere.  Cheers for CERN! and all the collaborators!!</p>
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